joe biden was the guy that sheparded the crime bill in 1994 and people forget the crime bill was defeated on the first vote in the senate and i remember president clinton asked to come to washington and the day after the crime bill came down we appeared before the national association of police chiefs and getting the chiefs to talk to their senators and the key to getting the turnaround. >> let me ask you, governor, about this fight as we take it on state by state level and you took issue with bob mcdonald for avoiding a conversation about about whether americans should have access to semiautomatic assault weapons. how important are governors in this entire fight? >> well, i think governors can help. i don't think necessarily that they're going to be the he. i wonder what governor crestie, for example, will say about this issue. look, it's -- it's close to a free pass because i know you know, chris, they took a poll on nra members and all gun owners on some shh everyone have to have a background check before they purchase the gun. 74% of nra members said yes, absolutely. and 87% of all gu